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Battle Winning Lemon Meringue Pie


The battle is over.  I am victorious in the pie category of life.  There’s a pie category, right?  I’ve really been rallying for one because I’m in for the whole hog, the entire kit and kaboodle and everything but the kitchen sink.  I used to be a pie loser…really.  My crusts were tough and chewy, my meringues flopped, my gelled pies de-gelled or ran willy nilly all over my plate and such.  I honestly think years went by, and I really never attained a decent apple or lemon meringue pie. How sad, considering these seem to be the pocket aces of any red blooded American’s baking hand.

I was a baker at heart, and I was darned good at cookies, cakes, even souffles, but those damned pies had me beat.  Then, something wonderful happened.  After years of being a pie loser, I found it…the holy grail of pie crusts…one that is flaky, buttery, tender and scrumptious, and one that helped put an end to my pie making perils. This recipe also had a huge bonus…it did not require Crisco or lard.

For those of you who are not crazy foodie people you probably are lost….but there’s a BIG LIE out there in pieville that stipulates the use of lard or Crisco to make a flaky pie crust.   This “Plain and Perfect Pie Crust” from Gale Gand’s Butter, Sugar, Flour, Eggs cookbook uses butter, not lard, and all the other usual suspects but adds one extra ingredient which is part of the flakiness magic…it’s red wine vinegar.  Yes, that’s the whole difference, and I don’t know the science of it all after all I am no scientist and this is no science blog, but the vinegar reacts somehow with the other ingredients and helps to make the crust flaky.

Let’s face it, the crust is the main event in any pie.  Screw up the crust and your pie goes down with it…just a sad excuse for a dessert and a seriously bad waste of calories.  So roll up your sleeves, shove off that, “I can’t make a homemade crust,” mentality and dig in with me.  I’m going to try and give you those simple tricks that will  help you win your battle with the crust.  Then the rest is easy…easy as pie (groan if you will)!

This recipe is time consuming from start to finish.  The crust requires about two hours of refrigeration before baking.  Then you make your filling during the last 1/2 hr. of crust baking, followed by making the meringue topping.  Finally, it needs to cool entirely before refrigerating.  Prep time is about 1-1.5 hrs of actual labor and (depending on how your expertise in making pies…if you’re a newbie pie maker, then it will take you a bit longer) 55 minutes of cooking time. I usually make it the day before I want to serve it so I am not rushed.

*This post’s recipes have been double checked and tested/baked by reading from the recipes printed here. 

Plain and Perfect Pie Crust
From Butter, Sugar, Flour, Eggs
This recipe makes a single crust pie so double it for a top crust pie.
2 1/4 c. sifted all-purpose flour
1 t. salt
1 t. granulated sugar
1 1/2 sticks very cold unsalted butter, cut in small cubes
1/3 c. ice water (strain out the ice just before using)
1 t. red wine vinegar

Lemon Meringue Filling
Butter, Sugar, Flour, Eggs and also the Food Network from Gale Gand
Note the quantity of pie filling in my top photo above…if you prefer more filling to meringue, I would make 1.5 times the amount of filling. Simply put in 1/2 more of each ingredient…instead of 1 c. sugar…you would add 1 1/2 c. sugar, etc or just double it and store the left over curd in an airtight mason jar for cookies or other desserts (or on biscuits…yum).
1 c. sugar
3 1/2 T cornstarch
3 T flour
1/4 t. salt
1 1/2 c. water
1 1/2 lemons, zested
1/3 c. lemon juice
1/4 t. lemon extract
3 egg yolks (save the whites for the meringue!)
2 T. butter

Taken from Better Homes and Gardens Cookbook
4 large egg whites (separate the yolks in a separate bowl from your mixing bowl and each egg into your bowl one at a time.  That way if you make a mistake with the separating, you won’t lose all the eggs)
1/2 t. vanilla
1/4 t. cream of tartar
6 T. granulated sugar

The Crust: Put all of your dry ingredients in your bowl, flour through sugar.  I like to use my food processor and whir it once or twice to mix together the dry ingredients.  Don’t get your butter out until you’re ready to use it. It’s important that your butter starts out really cold.  Chop it up into little 1/4 inch cubes.  Put the butter in the processor a couple cubes at a time and pulse. If you are doing this by hand, you want to add the butter to the dry ingredients and use your hands to incorporate the butter into the flour mixture, crumbling the butter with your hands until the butter is about pea sized.

Drop ice cubes into a liquid measuring cup and measure a little over 1/3 c. of cold water.  Strain out the ice after a couple of minutes and make sure you are left with 1/3 c. water.  Add the vinegar to the water and pour the water mixture into the processor.  Pulse a few times until it looks mixed but there are still pea sized butter pieces in the mixture.  If you are doing this by hand, you can either use a pastry blending utensil or your hands.  Hands really work quite well because you don’t have the danger of over mixing.  Just keep breaking up the butter between your fingers and incorporate all of the ingredients.  If you over mix with the processor, it makes for a tougher crust.  The coldness of the butter and water help make your crust flakier and so does leaving the butter in pea sized pieces.  The butter pieces will create air pockets in your crust.

Now dump out your mixture onto a floured pastry board.  It will still be in  pieces but don’t worry…it will be a little dry and crumbly but you just need to mush it together to form a thick disk.  If it won’t come together, you can add a tablespoon of water on the crumbles of  dough and mold it in until you can get it to form a disk.  The worst thing you can do here is add too much water.  The dough should not come together easily, and should never be wet or sticky like batter or bread dough.  It takes a little work to pat it and get it to shape up.  After it is formed into a disk shape, wrap it in plastic wrap and place it in a Ziploc bag in the fridge for at least an hour (two is ideal!).  This, again, is a great trick to flaky pie crust.

Take your disk of dough out of the fridge and preheat your oven to 350 degrees Fahrenheit.  Amply flour a pastry board. You will thank me later when you have to peel it off the pastry board.  If it begins to stick as you roll it, throw some more flour underneath where it is sticking.  Also, I like to throw a little flour over the disk of dough and also roll my rolling pin in a bit of flour. Flour = friend. Keep this in mind. Don’t over roll.  Just roll one way and then the opposite direction and keep going until it’s two inches bigger than your pie pan.  I flip my pie pan upside down on the dough once it’s rolled out and take a paring knife to cut around the edges and trim them so I have a nice, finished edge. Cut about 1/4″ past the pie plat to ensure you have enough do to crimp the edges.

Place the dough into your ungreased pie pan and gently push the dough into the pan making sure there are no gaps between the dough and the pan.  As for the edge, fold over the “overage” of dough around itself, making a double layer of pie dough around the edges.  Then either use a fork to press it into the edges around the pan or use your fingers (index finger of one hand and thumb and index finger of the other hand) to “pinch” or form it into those pretty curves.  Mine aren’t that pretty…do you see? Doesn’t matter.

IMPORTANT, CRITICALLY IMPORTANT….poke a fork  into the dough ALL OVER THE DOUGH.  Gently, please don’t take out your agressions on the dough. The filling will seep through if you create big, gaping holes.  Even poke the sides all around the dish (not the edges) or your crust will bubble up from underneath and you will have a bubbly pie crust mess.  Finally, you are almost there and this step is optional but it does help with ultimate success…place a piece of foil (covers the entire bottom and sides but not the edges) on the pie and fill with dried beans or pie weights (who has pie weights?…only crazy obsessed bakers right…see mine above…those are the little gray balls on the foil).  Place in the oven for 25-30 minutes until it turns a golden blonde color, then take out the foil…don’t burn yourself like I do every time.  Put the pie back in the oven for about 10 – 15 minutes (until pie is a golden brown color).  In the meantime, while the crust is doing it’s thing in the oven, make your filling.

Secret alert: One way to eliminate the beads from appearing on your meringue after it cools AND to help your filling stay “gelled” or solid-ish, is to put your meringue onto HOT filling so my recommendation is to make your meringue before the curd so that you are ready with the meringue when the filling is HOT.

Meringue: Place the 1/4 t. of cream of tartar and the 1/2 t. of vanilla into a tiny bowl or measuring cup and mix it up with a fork. This eliminates the cream of tartar from clumping up when pouring it into the bowl of egg whites. Put egg whites into a mixing bowl or stand mixer fitted with a balloon whisk (the wire one) and the vanilla/cream of tartar mixture in there as well.  Beat on medium speed at first and then high speed to form soft peaks. Add the sugar one tablespoon at a time, beating in between until stiff, firm peaks form.  Stop mixing once this happens—over mixing contributes to the meringue beading later.

Lemon Curd/Filling: Lemon Meringue filling is not for sissies. So if you are a pie newbie, you may want to check out a nice Dutch Apple Pie on the internet.  It is a single crust pie and is super easy as far as fillings go.  If you are ready for the big leagues, here we go.  In a medium sauce pan, over medium to medium high heat, combine sugar, cornstarch, flour, salt and water.  Whisk them together so there are no lumps from the cornstarch.  Really whisk, use those wrists. Once there are no lumps you can switch to a wooden spoon because you don’t want to keep whisking it.  Just stir, making sure to scrape the bottom and the sides of the pot and watch until it comes to a mild boil and is thickened, about 3 minutes.  Don’t walk away, it will burn. When it’s done, turn off your burner or take it off the heat if you have an electric stove.

In a liquid measuring cup combine the lemon juice, lemon zest and extract with the yolks.  Add a heaping spoon full of the hot sugar mixture to your eggs slowly stirring the eggs.  Do that several times to temper you eggs.  Otherwise they will scramble.  Once the egg mixture is brought up to temperature, you can pour everything back in the pot.  Add the butter in pats, and turn your burner on medium until the butter is melted and incorporated.  Pour the HOT FILLING into your pie crust.

Gently spread your meringue on top of your hot lemon filling, making sure to fill in any gaps between the meringue and the edge.  Use the back of a large spoon to gently run over the top like waves, creating ripples and ultimately creating that nice point at the top.  Put your pie back in the oven for 10 minutes, keeping an eye on it.  You want it to have nice browning on the waves.  Finally, let you pie fully cool before you refrigerate it.  Otherwise it will turn runny in the fridge and you will end up with little moisture beads on top of your pie.  Refrigerate until ready to serve.  Please tell me how yours turned out!



31 thoughts on “Battle Winning Lemon Meringue Pie

  1. I’m definitely going to try this pie crust recipe! I always use an all-shortening crust. It’s been my favorite for years. I love, love, love to make pies. Can’t bake a cake worth a darn, but I love making pies. I’ve never heard of red wine vinegar in a crust. If it takes the shortening out and is still flavorful, I’m game! Your meringue looks awesome too! My little guy was just saying he wants to make one. I’ve been terrified to attempt it though. 😉

  2. Welcome to the pie club! this crust looks very interesting. I’ll be trying this one soon!

  3. WINNING! Oh, sorry had a Charlie Sheen moment. I just stared at that pie for a good long moment when I pulled up the post. That meringue is perfect! Such a great recipe!

  4. You have just baked the perfect pie! It is gorgeous!

  5. I have to make this pie!
    I love everything about it
    and thanz for all the information..it really helps

  6. looks tasty! and the meringue is beautiful 🙂

  7. What a fabulous looking pie! And, of course there’s a pie category in life! Why make this pie if there wasn’t!

  8. Maybe there’s hope for me yet. This looks like a bit of work, but so worthwhile!

  9. The lemon meringue pie looks gorgeous!

  10. Wow that lemon meringue pie looks so amazing, meringe looks so perfect and the filling looks so yummy

  11. I know you posted this yesterday, but this fits perfectly for Father’s Day for me, it is my dad’s favorite kind of pie! And your pie looks beautiful and delicious! How interesting to put red wine vinegar in the crust!

  12. This looks so good! But I admit, very intimidating. Maybe some day I’ll feel up to trying it, because I love me some good lemon meringue. Glad you found a good crust, too!

  13. I can’t wait to try this recipe! I do have a favorite butter crust recipe (and yes, I believe that butter crust is the only way to go), but I’ve never tried using red wine vinegar. Your pie looks amazing, so I’m definitely convinced that this is a perfect recipe!

  14. Fabulous – what a Winner! Who doesn’t enjoy lemon meringue pie!
    🙂 Mandy

  15. Geni—can’t wait to try this crust….red wine vinegar?! Wow… I have used vodka before, but not vinegar. We are huge pie lovers….love to add a great crust to the repertoire! 🙂 You pie looks amazingly delicious!!

  16. Geni, how can I possible fail with this foolproof recipe, tested and retested by you, the baking queen! I love your detailed post; I can tell you really care that everyone understands and can feel comfortable. I do the vodka crust but without a doubt I’m going to try this out! Hope you had a great weekend.

  17. I can’t stop staring at these photos. Your meringue is stunning and perfect!! You did such a wonderful job. Glad you conquered the battle. 🙂

  18. mmmm i’m so mad at you, because i’m so hungry right now and it’s to late up here to eat something 😦

    i will definitely try this paradise *.*

    have a nice day,

  19. First of all – there is OBVIOUSLY a pie category of life. What else would there be to live for if there weren’t?

    Second of all – I NEVER use lard and shortening in pie crusts. All butter all the time, baby!

    Third of all – this pie. Amazing.

  20. Lemon Meringue is my favorite pie in the world and I have never tried making it. I’m going to try it this year though. Yours is absolutely beautiful!

  21. I’ve always been intimidated of pie making…I really need to get over it, lol! (It’s the crust that scares me!) Yours looks fantastic and that sounds like a great recipe for the pastry…I’m bookmarking this and hoping to try it soon!

  22. This is the same pie recipe I grew up baking…and I don’t think mine ever looked this fabulous! Looking forward to trying your crust recipe on my next pie…love Gale Gand!

  23. Oh it definitely feels like you’ve accomplished the pie category. I love a great lemon meringue pie and you’ve definitely written down a wonderful recipe. Now I have to give this recipe a try and conquer the pie category

  24. Well, I have a similar problem with pie & tart crusts.I will try you recipe for sure.I am not a crazy baker so the last time I used kidney beans- I had bean impressions all over my crust ..LOL>>Thank God someone thought of filling the pie- blessing in disguise for horrible bakers like me.

  25. Geni, you always bake great looking pies…somehow, I do not bake pies that often…
    This lemon meringue is our favorite. Love the pictures!
    Hope you are having a wonderful week 🙂

  26. Looks fantastic. That is my all time favorite, lemon meringue!

  27. Your meringue is great but the filling did not hold together and the ratio of filling to meringue is off. Will keep looking for the perfect Lemon Meringue Pie.

    • Curd is definitely temperamental. Note from my photo, that even my curd ran a touch when sliced. I prefer the taste of a “loose” curd to a super sturdy one because the sturdy ones have so much cornstarch or flour typically. If this had been a new recipe for me, I might seriously consider its quality and efficacy, however, since it has been a tried and true recipe for me for years from Gale Gand’s recipe (double checked for type-o’s), I do feel confident in the recipe itself. There are a few other thoughts I have in mind if yours did not hold up at all. Make sure you have very hot filling when you pour it into the crust and top it immediately with meringue. I believe that oven temperature also has a great affect on several baked goods. Check your oven’s accuracy with an oven thermometer. Mine used to be off 25 degrees and I would have to adjust all of my recipes. Finally, I know it happens to me all the time, is there any chance the cornstarch, flour or egg yolks were miss measured? This is one of those recipes that needs to be precise in all of the ingredients. Fresh cornstarch? (I am a baking detective now! 🙂 ) I have actually baked this recipe by printing out the recipe from my site several times and have ended up with great pies each time…although I have seriously considered making 1.5 times the amount of curd. I would prefer more curd as well and will add that recommendation to my directions here. Thanks for the input…I always welcome all comments and hope my reply was helpful.

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